Michael Peres sits down with Art Abal, co-founder of Vana and a leading thinker at the intersection of data systems, AI, and governance. With experience ranging from advising the Prime Minister of Timor-Leste to running global data sourcing at Appen for products like Google Search, Facebook Feed, and ChatGPT, Art has spent his career figuring out how human data is collected, valued, and used – and what a fairer AI economy could look like. Now at Vana, he’s working on user-owned data networks that put people, not platforms, in control.